EPISODE DESCRIPTION:

In this episode of The Health Revival Show, we sit down with Todd Shipman to break down one of the most misunderstood topics in health: quantum energy, EMFs, and structured water.

We dive into how environmental stressors like EMFs impact your nervous system, HRV, and overall health—and what you can actually do about it. Todd shares the science (without the fluff) behind quantum technology, how it may help regulate stress and improve resilience, and why most “EMF protection” products are misleading.

We also unpack structured water vs. revitalized water, how your drinking water affects cellular function, and why hydration isn’t as simple as “drink more water.”

If you’ve ever wondered what’s legit vs. marketing hype in the biohacking world—this episode is a must-listen.

Topics include:

• EMFs and their impact on stress, HRV, and inflammation
• Quantum energy and how it works
• Structured water vs. real hydration
• Biohacking tools that actually move the needle
• How to filter out health industry BS

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Liz Roman: [00:00:00] Welcome back to the Health Revival Show. Today we have Todd Shipman with us and I got introduced to Todd from our friend Kiki, who was at a couple of conferences. Becca and I have been to recently, and I dunno, it's just such a small world when you and I were talking about, oh, you know, this person and, you know, mentors that we've worked with and these products.

And I'm like, oh yeah, actually. So from a natural action standpoint, which we could open with, uh, just the structured water, he's like, yes, I know. And I just returned this whole unit because I'm a. Just clicker. Yeah, I'm gonna buy the whole unit, 1600 bucks, whatever. And it comes and we get it all unboxed.

And my husband's like, babe, this is like a whole house unit that like I have to install somewhere else, not just under the sink. And I'm like, oh, well okay, ship this back because now we're moving to Texas and so we'll just wait and reorder all of that when we get there. But anyways, thank you so much for coming on the show today.

I know we're gonna talk about the. Lela Quantum Products and the Heel [00:01:00] 360. Beck and I both have our necklaces on, and we've been talking about that on Instagram. And then also wanna get into the structured water. So just before we dive into all that, introduce yourself to our listeners. This is gonna be a fun episode.

No crazy, crazy science stuff today, guys. We're just gonna have a cool conversation about all these different products that can help you optimize your life. 

Todd Shipman: Yeah. Well thank you so much for having me. And that's kind of how I, I prefer things is have a conversation. Uh, my, my passion comes just like education and I've been in the, what do you wanna call it, biohacking or alternative health space for the last like 15 years.

And what I really saw was is, you know, I was in pre-med and I really love the science-y geeky stuff, but I really saw this massive gap, uh, personally experienced, like with my mom and other people who are sick. Like there's a massive gap on like the understanding of the heavy science. So we have a lot of people.

Who actively want to be healthier and actively wanna make better choices, but there's so much overwhelming information as well as there's a lot of unethical marketing, [00:02:00] especially in the alternative health space, which I have a huge issue with because you have all these people who are extremely desperate just to feel better.

And you get a lot of companies that take advantage of that. And when you have people who are having to put things on credit cards or take out personal loans to purchase things 'cause they don't have the money and means to do that, and then they're buying things, uh, you know, and they're over their heads and they're, they don't even understand it.

And so I kind of got into all this as that bridge. Of like, let's find the real legitimate products and the data and let's help people that are also looking for those. Because as everyone also knows, like I'm on this side of with the companies, but I also see that, like with the FDA and other, uh, regulations, it's very difficult to get our stuff out to mainstream like public, you know?

Um, I do ads with like for Wizard Sciences that are constantly being. Banned and my account gets banned for something that has ozone in it, like ozonated hemp oil or methylene blue. And then all of a sudden Facebook bans our accounts. So like they do not make it easy, [00:03:00] uh, to get that out there. That, that's kind of my, my passion is the educational aspect so that, you know, my 13-year-old twins can understand it.

All my kids. In between that, you know, six kids and then a se my 74-year-old mom, I wanna make sure that all of them can understand it and be able to utilize it. 'cause otherwise if it goes over people's head, you've lost them. And that's not useful either. So I've just been deep in this space in so many different subjects.

I, I love learning about and, and helping companies get their, their stuff out there to other people that need it. 

Liz Roman: Good. So this will be great because Beck and I were just chatting in between. We're like, okay, what do we do when, like, you have a podcast that you really like the person, but they just talked at such a high level that a, it was like no one's gonna understand and be able to take actionable steps in their life and apply what they just heard.

Which I think for us is, what we love most about podcasting is give somebody something they can do. Right. Uh, not just inform them. Information without action is, you know, useless. So I think this is gonna be fun. Uh, and [00:04:00] you'll school us on how we can even probably, yeah. My husband says all the time, talk to Marcus.

He's six. Talk to Marcus. You need to talk to him when you're making content. 

Becca Chilcz: Yeah. Oh my gosh. My son. Funny. My son asked me today when he can be in my reels again. He's like, mom. Can you take a video of me with my gold chain so I can go viral? Now, my son's seven, by the way. Um, and he thinks he's really, he plays baseball and he got a gold chain at Walmart and he like is obsessed with it now.

Um, and so, but yes, he like being able to explain, for example, the EMF locking abilities and the quantum fields. Like it is a very. Can be a very confusing thing for people. And so what I would love to start with, I have felt a noticeable difference in terms of my mood and my ability to manage stress with wearing this.

Um, and maybe it is a small placebo effect. I know there is some level of. Things going on that are [00:05:00] helping me to handle things better. But I would love for us to start with the Lela Quantum. We, Liz and I both have the petite healer necklaces, um, with the three beads inside. So I would love for you to talk a little bit around the technology and ultimately what it is doing, uh, when you are wearing it.

Todd Shipman: So, uh, the HE 360 capsule that we have there is, is Lila Quantum. And, you know, I'll start with, it's just, I preface always that like quantum, the concept of quantum can usually make people and instantly kind of give 'em a ick factor. Or like a woowoo factor. And because again, I go back to the, the unethical marketing.

I'm, I'm a consumer myself. I'm on social media and I'm seeing this quantum patch that like blocks EMFs, which is absolutely false. There's, you can't have the same, you can't be using a phone and it'd be blocked. Right? Like, and it really bothers me when I'm on this side again, of education and you see all this misleading information and, um.

What we're talking about here is [00:06:00] quantum physics. You know, there's quantum mechanics, quantum biology, all these other things. But with the technology, with that capsule that you're wearing, it is quantum energy, which is coming, it's on the same baseline there scientifically as like quantum physics. Now let's step back and say what is quantum energy?

Uh, so quantum energy, uh, and we'll go into this like why this is all beneficial 'cause it'll kind of help you. Uh, I'm huge. Component of like, Hey, the placebo effect is very powerful. So I'm always looking at that. But what we can show with, you know, with the capsule and all of our technology, we have 65 plus double-blind placebo controlled studies with all of this.

So it's really cool to see everything that goes on with that. But. Quantum energy is basically the energy behind the matter, so at like a subatomic level. So if we want to visualize that, it's basically if we had a piece of paper and I had a number, number two pencil, and I'm writing on it now, a. The space in between that lead as I'm writing it and the paper, let's call that, that's the quantum [00:07:00] energy space in, in, in, in the world, right?

So it is a vibration now. It's not a positive energy and it's not a negative energy. And that's actually where the benefits actually tend to come about because it's neutralizing. So anything that gets into the space becomes harmonized or neutralized. And that includes EMFs. Uh, it can be any type of environmental, um, external stressors.

We call 'em like disruptive waveform patterns. So just think of like chaos in the air. And these are things that we cannot see. Um, and most. I would say in, in a good way. Most people don't feel them, but we can also show over everything, like what happens to your body on a negative impact. We can look at your HRV, we can see that your heart rate variability, if people don't dunno what, hey, your heart rate variability is, uh, it's kinda like the time that's in between each heartbeat and you want it to be consistent.

If it's not, it means there's stress, there's chaos going on. Again, if people aren't really used to looking at their HRV, if you have like a AA ring. It's what your readiness score is basically on. So if you have a high [00:08:00] radius, uh, readiness level, like your HRV is healthy, if you've just worked out, your HRV is a little low because it's having to put energy and focus on healing.

We can look at your live blood analysis, which is like, uh, micro, uh, it's uh, dark field mics, so like blood in real time. And we can show that like EMFs make your blood sticky and kind of inflamed. We can look at your brainwave lengths and show that your gamma and your beta go really high, um, to explain that when your beta and gamma brainwave lengths, uh, are.

That's usually what causes anxiety, stress, A lot of the negative emotions come from the, the gamma. The beta, and also with EMF exposure, your alpha gets dropped. Alpha is kind of what you tend to want to be at its highest, but just fluid, right? We don't want always to be at alpha. It's kinda like our, our heart rate, we want our heart rate to go fluid.

We want it to be low at sometimes and high just depending on the circumstance. So it's not like you always want your, uh, alpha to be high. But when your alpha is high, it puts you in a parasympathetic it, it [00:09:00] puts you in a rest and digest, right? It puts you in more of a flow state, makes you calm, it makes you, allows you to handle stress and anxiety easier.

So, Rebecca, like when you're talking about why you feel better, usually just in general, is your, your body is now in a parasympathetic just. I'm putting this on, um, alpha kind of allows you to retain information and learn a little smoother and, and keep all that. So that is all the stuff that we can see is falsely done or, or negatively done.

When you are exposed to EMFs and now when you wear our technology, which we have numerous different products that are all charged with Quantum energy, what makes the products different with Lela Quantum are really just what, uh, frequencies they're infused with. And then there's some few other like variables and subtle things that make some of them different.

Like our, we have a quantum energy generator, but the necklace itself, it basically, think about it like this. Rebecca is putting you in a bubble wrap of protection so you can still synergistically work and be [00:10:00] around all these things, which is great, right? That means that we can have our, our luxuries of wifi, AirPods, uh, apple watch our, our.

Cell phones, everything around us without having to block them with a Faraday cage. Um, and again, still just be able to appreciate the technologies out of them. So basically you are in a bubble wrap of any type of, uh, deharmonization in your environment when you're wearing that. And it's about a three foot, six foot radius, basically around you as well.

Liz Roman: I love that. And just one of the things that you mentioned, 'cause I've talked on my stories about how much more calm I have felt. In terms of not feeling anxious or short fused as much when I'm wearing this, but my HRV has come up almost 10 points. So I've had my necklace roughly three and a half, four weeks, maybe about four weeks now.

Anyways, I've. Continuously struggled with low HRV postpartum 'cause my son is 13 months and I'm now [00:11:00] up to 36 today. Woo-hoo. I was in like the high teens, low twenties. So that's been really cool for me. But most importantly, more on the, I just feel more regulated side. Like I don't feel that constant anxious heart palpitation, gotta get it.

I'm just like, okay, you wanna be a negative Nancy today? Roll off my back. I'm not accepting your gift. Whereas before might have different colorful words. Right. So, um, that's one thing that I've noticed. The second thing I would love for you to kind of explain to someone is when they're making a purchasing decision, what would you recommend for them?

Right? Like, we talked off air, I got the men's booster for my husband. It's a little bit bigger. We have the petites, you have the petites. Um, I think that's a big thing. And then also from the marketing perspective, honestly. I actually was telling Kiki this when we were out in California. The reason I haven't bought a lot of these EMF blockers and all these things that people are doing is 'cause I think that a lot of it is quack, to be honest.

I think it's a lot of marketing that I'm not really, [00:12:00] uh, sure. So I started with this and then now obviously I'm more bought in and hearing the research or the science and talking with you and having ION on the podcast soon, but. I'd love for you to touch on when you're making a decision, a purchasing decision, where you would start, and then what are some red flags that people should look at when they're looking at other products or they're getting bombarded Because, you know, we are all gonna pop up on our phones later today and it's gonna be a hundred different, you know, ads for things.

I mean, heck, I was talking to my niece last night about my brother-in-law's house going up for sale. I'm under contract for a home in Texas. I got an email from Zillow last night about this. Like suburb where his house is going for sale today. Why do I need that? I'm already under contract to Texas. You know what I mean?

So like just to help people kind of filter out if they are comparing like, Hey, I was considering this product compared to the Lila Quantum, so I'd like to hear both of those if you can. 

Todd Shipman: So I would always. Hands down, our most popular, most [00:13:00] common product to purchase is the HEEL 360. I think because the generalization and the umbrella of all the f of all the frequencies that it has, again, all the benefits I mentioned before, you're gonna get that with any of the products because that is just, that is just the benefits that come with pure quantum energy.

Um, and then what make our products again different are. Which ones are infused with certain things, right? So the men and women's boosters, they're gonna be charged with pure quantum energy, but then they have frequencies that help assist with women, women and men's health. Like, so it's gonna have like biotin, it has stuff for nail skin, hair, bone, health, hormone balancing, like stuff like that.

And then you have like the HEEL 360, which has about, I believe it's like a 83, 84 different micronutrient frequencies, and it has vitamin frequencies added to it. And then a whole bunch of different things just to support your self healing. As opposed to that. So that's a great place to start. The Heel 360, it's a, it's a, um, medium investment that'll allow you the opportunity to experience, which to me is, especially as a [00:14:00] consumer on my side of many other products and companies, experiential is way more important to me, um, because it.

Again, I also understand, uh, which isn't this case, but like placebo is extremely powerful. And if I can experience something that often is more important to me than the science and data that I can get, um, so I, I will look at that, but you will feel most likely the most common thing we get from people is like, Hey, I don't know how this works, but I feel different.

That happens. All the time, and that's great. 'cause then they share that with a bunch of people, right? They're like, well, I can't really explain it, which is totally fine. It's the same with me. Like I'm very science minded, but my wife is crystals and fairies. And so she explains all this in a very different way that other people can relate to on an energetic and spiritual level that I'm not capable of.

But at the end of the day, she's like, I feel it. I feel different. And it's like, okay, gotcha. So that's definitely I think the best place to start because then you get into our like quantum energy generators, which go they, the travel block starts at like $888 and we have some up to like [00:15:00] $2,000, which is a larger investment.

But there's also big benefits to that. Like if you have a block, which we call them. Instead of calling it quantum energy generator, we call 'em a block that has about a two kilometer space of protection for the EMFs, uh, for harmonization, neutralization. So there's a reason to have that like in your house as opposed to the capsules or just for us as a person, but you can extend it out further for the rest of your family, um, and your entire property.

Um, and if you live in an apartment or a a, you know, a town home or something, they're really well because. You got it in your apartment and you don't know where the people next to you have their wifi router. And it's often really common that, uh, the way that apartments are laid out is like where, you know, where your bed might be, is the other person's living room, which is very likely where their TV is, which is also very likely where their wifi router is.

So if you can have the blocks in there, you're protecting the whole area as well. Um, and in terms of like on the marketing side. Uh, there's a few other companies. The thing is, is they truly aren't that they're not, and it doesn't make them bad, but they're not the [00:16:00] same technology. So we are the only company in existence that does this the way we do it.

And that is also why the quote unquote, how we do things is a proprietary. It's also why the ball is. Always in our court to prove everything. And that's why I mentioned before we're we're 65 published studies. We have about 15 currently being done that are all double-blind placebo controlled studies showing the effectiveness of our products and technology.

So that being said, if you see anything that says it's a quantum patch, we have tested, and it doesn't mean there aren't any, but we have tested every single one that we've ever been able to find and purchase. Do not work at all. Um, it doesn't mean they don't exist, but we have tested endless amounts and we're open to finding some, um, they just don't, and especially you have to look at the verbiage because.

We do have EMF blocking products with Lela Quantum, but they're clothing, right? So they're silver based. We have hats and beanies and t-shirts and jackets, and we're the only company that makes female, uh, EMF blocking underwear. We [00:17:00] make men's underwear. Um, and all our clothing is also still charged with the quantum energy, but you're getting in frequencies, but you're getting the actual blocking.

So if I put my phone in my jacket, it's not gonna work type of thing. Um, but when you see a company that says, I have, like, they use. Um, they block EMFs. That's absolutely false. If you can still use the phone, right? Like that's the difference. So Faraday cages are awesome, and that's kind of what clothing is.

So like t-shirts and stuff, like that's a carrot, that's a Faraday cage, and you can't use your phone. So if you're blocking EMFs, it's the same as if you have it on basically airplane mode and then you can't utilize it. Our goal is synergistically to be able to use all this stuff. The founder and creator actually was the global vice president of T-Mobile.

For a very long time. So he's been on both sides of the pendulums and it's like, yeah, we can block our phones. That's, which is, you know, I also get it for some, per some people's circumstance, that's best. But for us it's like, how do we use everything and not be affected by it? And we can show that with all these, uh, biomarkers, everything that our bodies are not being, uh, negatively affected [00:18:00] by the EMS, which is really cool.

Um, I mean, again, there are other companies though that you can go out there and they, they just do it differently. Uh, but you know, you have like Defender Shield, you have Blue, uh, I think it's Blue Shield. I'm so sorry. Um, blanking on, on those guys where it's like a device. Um, you have like the q you've got Aris Tech, all of that, um, that do different things.

But again, we're, ours is. The EMF stuff, which is, I think is most important to people when they're looking at our products, but it's also like 10% of what our products do. Um, so when it comes to that, like, well, what else can we do? Right? So our blocks can structure water. Um, we can. We have shown that with our technology, especially the blocks, that when you put food under there, it can reduce the stress it has on our body by 92%.

So that's sugar, gluten, lactose, any of that stuff. I am severely allergic. I'm not fatally allergic. And if you're fatally allergic, I wouldn't do it because this is a 92% reduction, not a hundred, but I am severely allergic to crabs, [00:19:00] avocado and honey. Honey. Instantly eat it. I'm in and not in a good place for about eight hours.

And when I put any of my food under the block, it will completely neutralize it so that I can consume it with no, no, uh, negative effects whatsoever. And we actually have studies showing that, and that's how I know that 92% is we, we had so many people who started saying that they're super sensitive to gluten, all this stuff and lemon juice or whatever, and that when they put it under the block for like five or six minutes, there's no longer a problem.

So we took it out into a, a larger study and. So it was a 92% reduction in stress that, that type of food, um, with sugar, gluten, like all that stuff has on our body. 

Becca Chilcz: That's crazy. So these blocks, that's the block that you're talking about that is like the 800 price range that you put in the house? 

Todd Shipman: Yes.

That's the starting range of those. That's the travel block. And we have ones a little larger, they have different sizes. We have some that you can put a whole grocery bag or two inside. Um, you can like lay yourself in, in between it. My wife lays inside them. Um, you know, a lot. Puts body parts in 'em and all of that.

'cause there's a lot of benefits to that. We [00:20:00] get more visceral blood. Um, we can see the blood gets more viscous when, when it's exposed to the quantum energy. So if you have in, uh, you know, we can show a two time increase in heal, uh, or wound healing, especially when you've, when you put your hand under the block, we have a up to a 29%, uh, increase in a TP production.

Lots of different things and benefits of putting like your hand and body parts under the blocks as well. 

Becca Chilcz: So question then, obviously these are for life. Like they, once they are charged, they stay charged. It's not like they wear out. Um, but with your exposure to them. So say I'm getting in the block or I'm getting, you know, in between it or close to it, and I'm seeing that in increase in a TP production, is that something that my body is kind of regenerating to be better at or is it more I'm there and I get it, but when I'm away from it?

It's like that benefit is gone. 

Todd Shipman: That's a wonderful question and uh, it's an important question. And really it, it's, I would say [00:21:00] as soon as you leave the space, it's gone. And the reason being is it's not because the quantum energy is creating these, all the benefits I've mentioned. It's not that the, it's not that the quantum energy is.

Pushing and giving you 29% more a TP production or two times the speed. Right. What it's doing is it's putting your body back in its natural state so it can do what it's supposed to do. Right. Our bodies are so resilient and if we, that's why when people have Lyme disease, a lot of the times like. Just, let's just, let's just say you just have Lyme disease, like your body can pretty much suppress the symptoms, but now all of a sudden I move somewhere and I have a 5G tower underneath me.

So that's one more thing my mitochondria has to focus on protecting myself. And then somehow there's a, a pipe leak. And now there's mold. So now my, that's usually the straw that breaks the camel's back and all of a sudden all the Lyme disease like, or the Lyme, uh, symptoms come out and then you're like, oh my gosh.

I realized I got bit by tick 15 years ago. I didn't know it. What we're doing is we're putting this whole bubble around us so that your body, if you have a cut on your hand, it doesn't have to, your mitochondria [00:22:00] doesn't have to go, okay, I need to protect from the 5G Tower and the Lyme disease. Like it's just there and it says, okay guys, we need to focus on healing that cut and it can do it without any stressor.

So it's creating this protection puts your body back into its natural state. But if you leave that, then you're back kind of like in the quote unquote real world where there's EMFs and other things that are stressing you, and it won't, it won't be as effecti. 

Becca Chilcz: Okay, that makes sense. But it's a great, I mean, I'm, I was thinking for my kids, like I would love to get the necklace, but the block is obviously a much better option to, to bring.

Todd Shipman: Yeah. The block is, but so like, because you don't have to wear it as a necklace either, Rebecca, you could put it around like the, the backpacks. You could put it around like a key as a key chamber or in the pocket, like around a belt loop and stuff. That's what I did with my kids when they were younger, is I, I put in like a key chain around it and I, I attach it to their belt loop, like on their, uh, jeans and they could just run around with it.

A lot of kids don't like the necklaces. 

Liz Roman: My son has currently like 14 key chains on his back, but I'm like, when are we gonna be done with this? So I feel like it would [00:23:00] just get lost or broken or, you know. 

Todd Shipman: Yeah, 

Liz Roman: I think the block would be, you know, great. Especially, I'm thinking in terms of like nervous system regulation because we are exposed to so many things all the time.

So you go to school, and he's currently in a private school, but next year when he is in public school, I'm imagining they're gonna have all of the iPads and things that most of the private public schools in this area do. Right? So it's just technology, technology, technology. And it's like, man, how do we help their little systems?

Because again, we weren't designed to be. Living with such high levels of all this stuff all the time. So I love that you mentioned that. So we have multi-benefit from the 360 and we've also talked about how it can structure water. So tell us a little bit about what the importance of structuring water is and then we can move into talking about the natural action structured water units.

That can be really cool. 

Todd Shipman: Yeah. So when it comes to like structured water, it, it's a, it's another one of those ends that like, I have a little even [00:24:00] heavier side on like the unethical marketing because gosh, it is crazy. Like, especially, um, I've been so lucky. I, I, I had a, one of my best friends, uh, I, oddly enough, today is his two day, uh, two year anniversary of him passing away Jonathan Butts, and he was, I would say, considered the global leading water expert.

Um. All the research that's done. He, it was, he was doing it in the labs. He, he is the guy that other people all, all these other experts went to for expert advice. Right. And I was lucky enough to get to, like, talk to him for like, sometimes three hours every day on the phone. And he would just go off, on and on about water and all these companies and you know, what, what they're claiming.

And again, it goes really back to like the, the form of structured water. Structured water doesn't mean good. I mean, structured water is just a tone, right? And like if it's structured well, is that a good or bad? Because, uh, the Emoto Institute, right, when they did studies. They could show that like, um, most people know that, you know where he [00:25:00] put, you know, positive words and he put negative words on the water and they froze it, and then they were able to look under a microscope.

Right? And the different designs that the water did, if it was hot, positive, happy, it looked like snowflakes. If it was negative words, it came out, looked like shattered glass. But it's still technically structured, but it's not on the good way. Right? Um, you get companies that just make these really wild, outlandish claims about structured water.

And at the end of the day, I. I have to bite my tongue because I will, I will use the word structured water, but structured water is not what you really want. You want revitalized water, like that's the true form of water, you know? Um, and the end of the goal because structured water, like, okay, well what, what does that mean?

It's changing the tension, it and the texture of the, of, of the, of the water, and that's it. So. You could be listening to the negative music, like, depends on how you wanna get into this stuff. But like you could be listening to music, you know, that's aggressive and loud and that water takes that on. And that's usually not ideal, but it's still structured right.[00:26:00] 

It's just not ideal. It's not like in a, a positive manner. You, you structure water by putting, they can show that by putting like a, a glass of water up to your heartbeat for about 20 minutes. We'll structure it, but again, at what level? What does that mean? Like, structuring on a level from one to 10?

That's a two, right? Uh, you want to revitalize your water. You want it to bring it back to life and water. It's such a amazing thing, like on terms of like what is possible. Everyone just thinks water is something you drink, right? And people think water hydrates us and Water's job is technically not to hydrate us Water's job is to be a bridge of communication that is its job.

So what does that mean? Like you think that just drinking water hydrates you doesn't, water itself isn't what's really hydrating us. It's what's in the water that is hydrating us and it's the water's job to bring those to our cells. And if anyone who wants to question or wonder what I mean by that, drink reverse osmosis water for two or three days, you'll be so dehydrated as if you're not even [00:27:00] drinking water.

That's like drinking Dasani or something, right? Like, um, you go to a airport. They don't really have any spring water. It's usually DA and all, it's all reverse osmosis. And if you're drinking reverse osmosis water, it's gonna dehydrate you. It's really good. It has a purpose, but if you're drinking it, you want to be, it's be like the reason I would be drinking reverse osmosis if I was detoxing, because then it's just cleansing and pushing things out.

It's not providing hydration, it's actually removing everything, which is what we wanna do. We wanna flush out ourselves. So you know, it, there's a whole grand scheme of things with the in the water world that people. Utilize and make claims. There's one company out there that says that you use this, you take this straw glass material, you put it in the water, and it keeps the state forever, which is actually horrible if you understand water.

It's the same thing as our heartbeat. Like we want it to be fluid. We want it to go back and forth. Be high when it needs to be high. 'cause it has a whole function, right? If we want it to be low, when it needs to be low, we don't want. Our heartbeat to be 82 beats per minute, all day, every day, [00:28:00] regardless if we're sleeping or working out.

And it's the same thing with water. And it changes. You want water, almost like it has a personality. I, I view water as having a living conscience, like it's a living consciousness to it. So it has a personality, it has, and almost like feelings and emotions. And we can see that when we freeze it and or when we put it under, like what, how it reacts to certain things.

So. All that being said, um, again, structured is the word we use because people know the word structured and when they're searching on Google, they're searching structured water as opposed to revitalized water, but revitalizes what you want. What that means is revitalize water is taking water back to nature.

One thing for sure, nature is perfect. Everything nature has created is perfect. We get in there and we mess things up, right? So. When I was younger, I would say I used to go to Yosemite. Uh, I live really close to Yosemite. I used to spend every weekend there and, uh, even when I was younger, I didn't know, but I would drink the water right out of the rivers, had no idea everyone else is putting CDS or other stuff in there.

I never did it and I [00:29:00] also never suggested it to people. Um. But I'd always do it realizing that that water is revitalized living water. Right? And there, uh, it was, uh, there's lots of different studies that show that when you have true revitalized water, that actually holds an intelligence where it'll encapsulate the toxins.

So even if you drink that stuff, your cells aren't absorbing the gross toxins and you just urinate it out. And I always wondered why I could drink all the water in the Yosemite. Like rivers and the creeks and all that, and streams and not have any issues. But, um, what we're doing and what we want to do, especially with natural action, is we are bringing basically the water back to its normal origination of, of natural water, right?

So. It has the products that we have with that, they're all very different. Like 'cause again, you have these different products, they do different things. But what we're doing is we are recreating nature as close as we can. So when you have this device, when the water runs through it, it's going through Vortex and Helix.

It's hitting the same thing as a stream would do, right? It's swirling [00:30:00] around, it's bouncing off of a rock, it's being charged with energy. We have quartz, we have Shanghai and all these different rare earth minerals. It's creating like a coherence and a vibrancy back to like. You can just tell when you drink water like that compared to just like structured water, um, by putting something, uh, a stick or something in the water and then using one of our products night and day difference, you can taste it, it feels different.

It, you can drink way less of it because the, uh, efficiency of how, uh, it's hydrating you is way, way, way better. And um, that's kind of the end goal is how do we do that, right? Because as I mentioned before, nature's perfect and we get in the way. How do we get in the way with water? Thousands of ways, mostly by municipal, um, filtration.

Right? So when you filter water in general, it stresses it out and that ro water is stripped, right? It is basically naked water with nothing. I will, I would compare that to traumatization. You have traumatized the heck outta that water because our sys, especially depending, like all states have different [00:31:00] regulations, but it's gonna be going through a municipal system where they dump extra chemicals into, neutralize the other chemicals that are in there.

It's going through these high pressured, 90 degree angle, uh, pipes, and it is traumatizing for the water. And then it comes out and we tend to drink it as, and it's, it's chaotic. It is stressed. It's traumatized. That's the best way to describe it. And that's the same thing with like, um. Any form of filtration.

So when you have a filtration system on your house, which I also understand, especially if you have a preference for flavor, that would be my biggest suggestion for people is like, if you wanna filter, wanna filter your water, it's like, because you have a different preference of how the water tastes, that will change.

Right? But you always want to end everything with a revitalizer. Um, and natural action makes under sink systems that take, they literally probably take three to four minutes to install by yourself. Um, we have shower heads. Um, and remember before I mentioned like water with like a, what was that? 

Liz Roman: I said, so not the one I bought.

Todd Shipman: No. Well, you, well, well, so what You had also does bath [00:32:00] water? No. Like there's benefits to the one you have because you do yours. Does the one that you bought does everything in the house? Right. So it does, if you wanna do, if you wanna take a bath in structured water, like that's, that's healthy and that's how, and, and shower all this.

Otherwise we sell individual systems. So we sell the under sink systems, we sell shower systems, whole home systems, portable units. Uh, we now have. Very top of the line, whole home fi filtration systems that can, like you can remineralize and restructure the whole systems there too. But remember before I mentioned it kind of has an intelligence where it encapsulates the toxins.

A really cool way to experience this is like with a shower. So most people, if they're really sensitive, they can smell the chlorine. In their shower is it's hitting them right? And um, what we can show is if you put one of our shower systems on there, it actually entirely neutralizes that smell because it's encapsulating the chlorine.

It does not remove 'em. Right, which is what's really kind of cool. And the same thing is you're seeing like, okay, the chlorine smell went away, but we didn't filter out the chlorine. It's just being [00:33:00] neutralized because now the water is revitalized and it holds it intelligence to be able to encapsulate it.

Um, so you don't smell it, which is really cool. So, um, you know that, that's another thing because, you know. All of the chemicals that are in our water, especially our skin, it touches it and absorbs it. And then what happens is goes, anything that goes through our skin then goes to our liver. So anything that goes on your skin is almost equivalent to you eating it.

Right. So skincare is, is just the same concept with that. And we, there was a study kind of like, uh, experiment done where someone took a glass of water. And they tested the chlorine levels and then they stuck their finger in it for I think like just 10 seconds, and then they pulled it out and they retested the chlorine levels and they were gone.

It got absorbed by the finger. Like, and that's just in a short period of time. So when we're showering, think about our hair and our skin, everything like that. So the whole home system is great. Um, as well, Liz, it's just you're gonna get everything from the bath water to any water around the house, the gardening and stuff, depending on where it's set up.

Like you're gonna even get, like, we [00:34:00] have all the benefits. We can show what happens to like, uh, any kind of agriculture, uh, your grass gardening, what it does with structured water and how, how much crazier everything grows with structured water. 

Liz Roman: Great, because we're going to have to care for a lawn that's, it's a new build, so we're gonna have landscaping that's all fresh and sprinkler system that we have to, I don't have a green thumb, so any help I can get, uh, is gonna be fantastic.

So when we get there, oh yeah. And we have, so in Texas we're removing, we don't have sewer systems. Each home has their own sewer. Filtration thing. And so it goes through this big process and then it sprays that all out to your lawn and fertilizer. The contractor was like, I would never drink that or touch it with a 10 foot pole, but some people believe that it's fine.

And I'm like, yeah, I'm a water snob through and through. So I will have the filters, the whole home filters, the shower filters, all the things. 'cause I do see a lot. In our, um, you know, work that we do with clients around hair, scalp, health [00:35:00] and, you know, skin in terms of like dry skin, eczema, psoriasis, those types of things.

When we went out to California, actually, I mean, they have the worst water. I came home and I did a video on my stories where I showed the inside of my leggings. I never ever have that. And for here we have water filtration systems, right? And good quality products that I'm using. But there, I just was using their stuff.

We were in and out for a quick trip and yeah, my skin was already starting to just like flake and peel and just be dry from that. And so it's a huge thing, especially for people who deal with hair loss or dermatitis, eczema, psoriasis, all those types of inflammatory skin issues. You gotta think about internal health, of course, but.

Also think about what's going on topically. 'cause you are bathing. I forgot who we talked to, but they made a good point that when you shower or you take a bath, I mean, you're exposed to more water than you are drinking multiple days. Mm-hmm. You know, it's like, I forgot how to make gallons or something.

But 

Becca Chilcz: yeah, I, I honestly, I've never heard someone explain water in that way [00:36:00] and it was very helpful. So thank you for that. Um, it like. It makes me feel bad for the water a little bit. Like there's 

Todd Shipman: no, I get it. I have that relationship and like I go back to John, John was so stoic about the way he talked and he had such a relationship with water to the point where he was like, listen, it's like he held a burden.

He understood water at a level that no one else really did or could understand. And, and that's like, you understand, like water has, it can sound weird, I get it, but like I've been around the water for a very long time. And a depth and depth understanding. It's like it, it has a personality, it truly does.

Becca Chilcz: Right. People talk about plants and how like plants can sense emotions and 

Todd Shipman: Absolutely. 

Becca Chilcz: You know, and so it is a living. Thing, organism. Right. And so with the structured water, can you explain internally for someone like [00:37:00] cellularly what that is doing versus unstructured water and water that has been traumatized ultimately?

Todd Shipman: Absolutely. We can go as deep as you'd like with this, but if we want to keep it really like on a simplistic level is it's just normal. We un normalize everything, right? So we're we, when you have structured water, revitalized water, it's taken our body, our, our bodies are very primal. Even though we've been around for a while and we have all these changes and everything, like our body still works at a very primal level of everything, right?

So when we are adding chemicals, we're adding the stress to water. It's actually confusion, right? So when you have structured, or let's, I mean almost just wanna say. Um, normal water is really how we, like, we have to market it with all this stuff, but really we're just talking about like. Original water, like Noble Water is what we've always called it to.

Right. And it's like, it just works the way our bodies are used to it working. So it, it's coherent, it [00:38:00] is accepting our body. It's like a friend to our body where it's like. I know who you are. Come on in, hang out. Let's do this. Like everything flows. Like this is a very simplistic way I'm saying it. We can definitely go much deeper, but I'm trying to understand people.

It's like when you have a friend who just makes you feel good, that's how that water when it's going into your body is otherwise when you're drinking tap water or anything else that, we'll call it chaotic water in a way. And on the marketing fun part, right? Let's call it chaotic water, like it's like the disaster friend who comes in and you're like given it space.

You're unsure about what's gonna happen and you're not as receptive. That's the problem. It's like, it has to look like, what are you doing? What's going on? As opposed to come join the party. You're, you're, you're part of this normal party. Come on in water. Um, and it just, it hydrates more effectively. 'cause the way he brings it in, um, it's at a different level.

You know, we have the fourth phase of water. Uh, Gerald Pollock became really well known with his research with that. And it's like a plasmic water. Not even plasmic water, but it's more of a plasma. It actually changes a phase, right? We have, we have the [00:39:00] three, you know, gas, we have liquid, we have all this like stuff, and then it's like now we have fourth phase and that's like a plasma.

So usually what happens if we are drinking, um. Unstructured water is our body also has to work harder now to put it back into the fourth phase, and now it's draining more energy to do that. So it actually has to still convert it as good as it can. So it's working harder. It's kinda like digesting honestly, if you think about, right, if we eat celery.

It takes our body more energy and more calories to digest it than the calorie itself. And that it's kinda like this where it has to work overload just to get it back to its basic levels. So like that's what the chaotic or just basic tap water, but structured water. It's a, um, comforting friend in a way where your, your body just knows, Hey, you belong here.

Let's, let's get to go, let's, let's get work to stuff. So. 

Becca Chilcz: It's another stressor on the system that does not need to be there when you have normal [00:40:00] water. That should be what your body is experiencing. That's what I think of is like there are just so many things that our body is exposed to now that we are not meant to be and water.

Water and food are like two of the biggest inputs, right? And so when you are constantly exposing yourself to something that is not natural to the body and it has to work harder to do what it needs to do because of that, just another stress. Right? Um, 

Todd Shipman: yeah. 

Liz Roman: A quick 

Todd Shipman: question. And you only need to drink about 25% of what you normally would drink.

I'd. So that's also a nice thing, right? And we have a lot, I mean, we have an endless library of, of studies and research and data on the natural action.com website. You just go on there, you, there's unlimited amount of studies and, and research data on there about the benefits of structured water. And um, so it does our body, 

Becca Chilcz: can you put the device where underneath the sink onto a reverse osmosis thing, or do you have to take off the reverse osmosis?[00:41:00] 

Todd Shipman: So you could, yeah. So you could put it after the reverse osmosis system. You should be able to. 

Becca Chilcz: I just, I had to, I had him install it. 

Todd Shipman: Yeah. 

Becca Chilcz: Change the filters. 

Todd Shipman: I understand. No, I get that side too. Yeah, because you can do that, or you could put it into like, um, a portable unit afterwards that we have, but you know.

Ideally, we have a whole system. We have systems just for ro, and the only thing I say like, you know, if someone's using ro, just make sure you're remineralizing it. Like that is a necessity. Otherwise, you're really not getting the benefits unless. Unless you are on a constant like detox protocol, you know, like you, you, the, the RO water is, I mean, 'cause you can go into deeper of that.

Like, I don't wanna make you feel bad, but like what happens with RO water? Like, does it, you know, you just say you take a gallon of RO water or of water and the RO system runs it through and now you've got about a quarter of that gallon is the concentrated toxins. Right? And depending on your system, where does that go?

[00:42:00] Is it getting dumped back into your missional system, or is it getting dumped into the ground of the earth? Right. And it's like, well, all those toxins, right? So this is just like things to think about, which I, I don't, I have an RO system set up with. Post everything to work it. So I'm not judging at all.

I'm just, people don't know this stuff about it. And then it's like, okay, so if I was to dump that system or that all that concentrated toxins into my, into the municipal water, now the municipal system has to add more to or more toxic chemicals, basically to neutralize the high concentration I just threw in there.

And you also can't recycle the RO systems. Uh, you can't recycle the filters. So, um, and again, I don't say that 'cause I use it, so I don't mean that in a judgey way. I just say that to educate people. 

Liz Roman: No, she had, so I had this under the Sink RO system with Remineralization, and then I got a new one. One.

Great. So then I gave mine to her and then mine does the same thing and it's got some other like light technology in there. I forgot. But I'm a bit of a water snob. 'cause our water here is absolutely terrible. So, by the [00:43:00] way, let's plug this. Anybody out there who thinks that tap water is okay, please go to the EWG website or my tap score.com and put in your zip code and it's gonna show you all the things about that that are not okay.

There's a really funny story that has been told a hundred times by my niece and on this podcast, but. We went out one time, this was several years ago now, and I was a little intoxicated and I asked the bartender for filtered water, and she was like, we don't have that. And so then I was like, well, then I just won't drink any water.

And I was just mad and I went home. It's like, well, I'm not gonna drink your. Tap water because there's so much yuckiness in there. But I love that you brought that up because many people, yes. On a detox protocol, honestly, for abdominal pain and things, I'll take people to like a distilled water for a period of time, remineralizing that until they can get, you know, something in their home or a good filter, you need to have your water filtered, all of it.

Everything that you do with water, please have it filtered because our tap water is disgusting. Um, and then the last question that I [00:44:00] have for you, this is a selfish question for my portable device. Very easy and simple to use. I just keep it next to my little spout, right? That has my ro that's been remineralized has all of these little rocks, right?

To create that feel and structure or remineralization whatever, coming down from the mountain side, cleaning it. What do you recommend? Just, I mean, I use truly free, like the non-toxic. Soap and things, but obviously we've got one of those little scrubber brushes that goes in like you would a straw. Do you have a solution or things that you like to clean it with other, should I not be using soap?

Should I be using something different? 

Todd Shipman: So if you're using wa, like if you're just using water through it, don't worry too much the way, the way it works. 'cause you don't really get any like mold or bacteria inside of it. But that being said. Sean always said either just like, 'cause you know how you can, um, I know people are listening, you wanna understand this, but it's like a spout, right?

It has an in and out, um, hole and like on the bottom you can put your finger there just to stop everything. So what you could do is pour [00:45:00] some, um, like just some vinegar through that and close it up and kind of just stir it and shake it around and then dump it out and then run water through it afterwards.

But John always said just some simple, um, vinegar would. Would clean everything, especially because, you know, there's other ways you can be using this with wine, alcohol. We have studies showing like how it changes the texture, which of course, as I mentioned before, the tension and also changes the flavor.

But also it doesn't mean it's a good thing in terms of, because I, I work with some wine makers and they're like, well, I really wanted that note to be strong here. But when you revitalize it and open it up, it changes the flavor profile. Um, and that's with like whiskey bourbons, that's with wines, all alcohol, so you can use it.

For more, like you can use it for raw milk. Honestly only, I'm only gonna say this because you guys can probably really relate, is I love structuring my coffee enemas. Um, and because of what that does, it, it actually, uh, allows my body to absorb it. So I'm not trying to push it out right away. So I do the coffee enema, I make it, and then I run it through the system and, and structure and revitalize it, [00:46:00] and then I use it.

It's a night and day difference. So, um, if you guys do coffee enemas, that's another, like, there's so many ways to utilize the portable unit. 

Liz Roman: Okay. 

Todd Shipman: For sure we'll have So raw milk, everything. 

Liz Roman: Yeah, we'll have to try that. That's so interesting. And I mean, it makes sense in terms of, like you said, nature is perfect and we just mess it up essentially.

'cause we think we, we 

Todd Shipman: get in the way. 

Liz Roman: We do. Yeah. We get in the way. Um, okay, this has been fantastic and you know, we'll just dedicate this episode to your friend. I got the email this morning about the sale that's going on with natural action. Thank you. 'cause of him and his passing. So, um, with that. Links are in the show notes.

And so we have Code Fit Mom that works for both Lila Quantum as well as Natural Action and Wizard Sciences and many other brands that Todd works with. And you know, obviously we use these products. We're wearing them, we're talking about them. We don't share things that we don't like. And if we have. Use them and they didn't work.

We tell people that too, and I truly think that, um, you guys have created some amazing products and I'm excited to have Ion on the [00:47:00] podcast soon. So thank you so much for your time today, Todd. This has been fun and an enjoyable conversation that didn't leave me feeling falling asleep. 

Todd Shipman: Thank you so much for having me.