Sonia Spil - The Mom Fitness Trap Nobody's Talking About
EPISODE DESCRIPTION:
Why do some people follow every health protocol — yet still can’t heal?
In this episode of The Health Revival Show, Liz Roman and Becca Chilcz sit down with Sonia Spil, head coach at Vital Coaching, to discuss the deeper root of chronic illness: mitochondrial dysfunction and cellular health.
Many people struggling with gut issues, hormone imbalances, chronic fatigue, Lyme disease, or autoimmune conditions are actually dealing with dysregulated cellular communication and immune dysfunction.
Sonia shares her personal healing story after years of competing in bodybuilding, dealing with hormone collapse, gut issues, and unexplained weight gain — and how understanding mitochondrial health changed everything.
Topics covered:
• Mitochondria and cellular health explained
• Why some people react to every supplement
• The connection between viruses, Lyme, EBV, and immune dysfunction
• Why peptides and supplements aren’t magic solutions
• The role of stress, trauma, and lifestyle in chronic illness
• Healing timelines for complex health cases
If you’re dealing with chronic symptoms and feel like nothing is working, this episode will help you understand what may actually be happening inside your body.
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Transcript:
Liz Roman: [00:00:00] Welcome back to the Health Revival Show. Yes. We are in Pavo having some coffee hanging with Sonya. Yes. I was thinking about it this morning. It does not at all feel like we just met in person.
Sonia Spil: I know. Yeah. It was almost like instant.
Becca Chilcz: Sonia and I are like walking around in our underwear. In her room. We're like, we're both just free.
Scared fine with this.
Sonia Spil: We're there we're
Becca Chilcz: there We're fine.
Sonia Spil: Did you
Liz Roman: guys
Sonia Spil: get
Becca Chilcz: together the door open? Yeah, we got two. Two beds. We were in a situation where Sonya and I, who I've never met, although I feel like we know each other already so well,
Sonia Spil: yeah,
Becca Chilcz: we're gonna have to sleep in the same bed and I would've done it, but.
I am glad that we have our own bets.
Liz Roman: Yeah, because I was like, wait a second. I specifically called and talked with these people for like 40 minutes. Hmm. This is not acceptable.
Sonia Spil: My big spoon, my little spoon. Like, where are we gonna show up for each other? I know. Like we can alternate every other night, like just kind of.
Mm. Depending
Becca Chilcz: on what
Sonia Spil: we need.
Becca Chilcz: Well, you're also Pacific time. So like I knew I was gonna wake up at like five 30 and I'm like, this is three 30 Sonya's time. So I am glad she [00:01:00] likes really loud sound machine, which is perfect.
Sonia Spil: Yeah. '
Becca Chilcz: cause then I'm like, not waking her up, getting up and going to the bathroom and
Sonia Spil: Yeah, it was, it was like soulmates.
She was like. How do you feel about the temperature? I was like, oh, I prefer it a little bit colder. She's like, me too. I was like, let's see, as low as this thing can go. And she's like, okay. I was like, perfect. And she goes, how do you feel about a little noise? I'm like, as loud as we can make it. It's like how we turn the fan on.
Like I want it to feel like I'm behind like a, a jet with like a cold breeze all night.
Liz Roman: You have a sound machine at home,
Sonia Spil: everything. And we have the fan noise. It's so loud and it, and we sleep with the window. I like to see my breath in the morning when I wake up. I like to be so cuddled up in blankets.
Yes. And also my husband's a furnace, so if we're, if it's warm in our room, I can't. Snuggle. I'd rather it be very cold and like
Becca Chilcz: Yep.
Sonia Spil: Foot on keeping me warm.
Becca Chilcz: Yes. Yeah. See I am. Give me my large bed. I love you. Kiss you goodnight.
Sonia Spil: Yes,
Becca Chilcz: please go over there.
Sonia Spil: Mm-hmm.
Becca Chilcz: And then I'm [00:02:00] gonna sleep over here.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Becca Chilcz: I
Sonia Spil: make my way to his side no matter what.
It's like, oh, you're. Yeah, how'd you get over there? Away from me. He's always like, I have no room. The other night I felt bad he, I didn't realize where I was and he went to go, kind of kick himself outta bed and I hear this loud bang and he rolled off and hit his head and I was like, what was that? And he is like, I rolled outta bed.
And I was like, oh. He just kinda like went back to sleep. He is like, you didn't say sorry, nothing happened. He is like, you.
Liz Roman: See we gravitate towards the middle. So like our
Sonia Spil: Yeah, that's good.
Liz Roman: Sink in the middle now. Yeah. We gotta new it. Yeah. While, but yeah, we're definitely more of the settlers. Constant touching.
As long as he's not in our bed
Becca Chilcz: other than sleeping, we are. Yeah. I feel like very, except everyone's different. Yeah. Yeah. We are very much so. Like in public, I need to be hands or head and shoulder. It's not
Liz Roman: too much though. Like you guys aren't
Becca Chilcz: No, we are not super pda.
Liz Roman: Yeah, I remember. So. [00:03:00] Way back when I was probably 13 or 14, my brother and his wife at that point in time, it was like disgusting.
They would come to my parents' house and she'd be sitting on his lap consistently and then like kissing his neck at moments that you're like, this is really,
Sonia Spil: so there's like a cute PDA where like they're always sung up and like fun and then there's like, okay, this is making everyone a little uncomfortable.
Liz Roman: It was very uncomfortable and. Even my parents, like, I can't believe they didn't say something. 'cause I would've said something.
Becca Chilcz: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Becca Chilcz: Yep.
Sonia Spil: I like, I like that p where it's like, our kids think we're gross, but other people think like that perfect balance with like, oh God. Yeah. You're gonna, my daughter wants to
Becca Chilcz: get in the middle of it 'cause she doesn't like when Nick hugs me,
Liz Roman: mark thing.
Becca Chilcz: Yeah.
Liz Roman: It's like a family hug if we're hugging. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Becca Chilcz: Yep, yep, yep. Pretty much. Yep. So how are we feeling about leaving the little baby Sonya?
Sonia Spil: Yeah, I have a, oh, he's, um, is he six months today?
Two
Sonia Spil: days, he'll be six months, which is really amazing. You'll be back home six months. I'll be back home. Yeah.
Not that I'm in like a phase in my life where I'm like, the [00:04:00] six month birthday, I can't miss, you know, we kind of like, like, do mom feel like this kid's getting a little bit of third, third child syndrome? We're like, do we wash our hands Close enough? Like, you know, you're like, just, it's a whole different ball game.
But he's, he's doing great. We're sleeping. Thinks we're, we went through kind of like a rough. I feel like it's so weird to say we went through a rough phase. 'cause I just think like postpartum is just, it's just rough. Rough
Becca Chilcz: in general
Sonia Spil: is rough. I feel like no matter what cards you are dealt, no one is like, it was the easiest time.
It's the weirdest thing. It was just, mm-hmm. There's always, it's just like. A bag, you know, and you're like, what is in this bag? And if you just dissect one thing at a time and you're like, okay, this is just a season, it seems to be easier. So we're out of that tough season. We're like in that calm before the storm.
We're like out of the newborn phase, not quite in teething phase. So we're just enjoying the, we're sleeping through the night, we're, we're in a good. Please.
Becca Chilcz: Yeah. [00:05:00] So before we continue, let's introduce Sonya for those that dunno who Sonya is.
Liz Roman: Yeah, maybe
Becca Chilcz: Sonya is a, she's a badass. Sonya is one of the head coaches at Vital Coaching who, for those of you that will listen for a while.
Vince Pitstick is a mentor of Liz and i's, we have known Vince for a very long time and in turn, Sonya, a very long time. Liz coached with Sonya. So talk to us about you and when did you start with Vital? Where did you, you know.
Sonia Spil: Yeah, I feel like every good functional practitioner, it started with dysfunction.
Yeah. And I think that's what like fuels us in the fight because it really takes an empathetic soul to really understand because it's very easy when you're, when you haven't gone through it, to feel that sort of empathy when clients are showing up very dysregulated and not take it personally. 'cause it's, it's not like a personal thing.
And I competed. [00:06:00] I had very low hormones, grew up with eating disorder, struggled with addiction. When I finally got sober, it turned to exercise addiction, just like training and cycle and all the endorphin, you know, like hit addict. Mm-hmm. I'd, you know, wake up and do two. I'd teach two fast and cycle classes, then I would eat a can of tuna and a quarter cup of rice.
Yes.
Liz Roman: Well, was it dry rice or was it good?
Sonia Spil: It was great question. 'cause in bodybuilding, you just never know. And then, and my coach allowed me one tablespoon of coconut oil a day as my fat just really, you know, talk about creating dysfunction around food. For some reason I had no cycle. That's the craziest thing.
Massive gut issues. Would like go to the bathroom once or twice a week. Had no fiber in my diet, like these things. Now I look back, I'm like, no wonder why. And I competed. I did really well, got some really good placements, won an overall, and then post competing as I was feeding [00:07:00] up. It's kind of like when you have SIBO and you're not eating, you don't realize.
Mm-hmm. And then once you start eating, there's massive dysfunction.
Liz Roman: Yep. Mm-hmm.
Sonia Spil: And,
Liz Roman: and you're talking about diversifying your diet and then
Sonia Spil: Yes.
Liz Roman: Salaries, right?
Sonia Spil: Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, divert if when we talk about creating diversity, I, I think because I had such a disorder around food, I only felt safe eating these foods and, and then like.
You know, like, like fit foods, you know? Mm-hmm. Like, oh, a like Quest bar. It was the Quest Bar era, you know? And you're like, wow. Not the right fibers
Liz Roman: would definitely make you poop.
Sonia Spil: Yeah,
Liz Roman: I would eat that. I would warm 'em up.
Sonia Spil: Yes. 30 seconds.
Liz Roman: Yes. But then it would wreck my stomach. Right. It was almost like, to be honest.
Yeah. Which. Not great.
Sonia Spil: So when you have constipation, bloating, it would just be chronic bloating. And then I'd be like, ah. And so those felt like safety to even like binge on. So sometimes I'd have three or four in a day. Mm-hmm. Just [00:08:00] now when I look back I'm like, oh wow, I wish I would've met me earlier.
You know? Yeah. So chronic dysfunction. I ended up having all these gut issues that I was working through, and I worked with an awesome practitioner named Jason Thi, who you guys know. Mm-hmm. And we got through my gut issue, but as we started reverse dieting my food back up, my body comp, I was just looking like more and more inflamed and watery.
No cycle, still hair loss, inflammation, my face. With Jason, I was like, oh, this is so defeating because I couldn't lose weight when we lowered calories and I just kept gaining weight when we raised calories. And I was like, I'm just gonna take a break from this. Went to another practitioner, same thing.
Anytime weight just kept steadily going up. So now you know I finished competing at one 16. I'm at 180 3 now.
Becca Chilcz: You were one 16?
Sonia Spil: It was one 16. And I can see that. Oh my. Yeah. And 180 3 and I'm five four. And so that's like a bit and 180 3 inflamed. Mm-hmm. Is like a difference than like 180 3 training. 'cause it's not really about weight being like, oh [00:09:00] that's so huge.
It's just when you move that quickly in like a year or two mm-hmm. Your body is not doing well. Especially training full-time and working in nutrition. I was still coaching clients. I had been coaching bodybuilding clients this whole time. And um. I started being like, there has to be more. I was doing all these trainings with these coaches and like going through mentorships and learning, and I'm like, there's still this missing piece.
And I remember getting muscle tested and I don't know, however anyone feels about muscle testing, I feel like there's a lot there. Right, too. That's that's a different podcast.
Becca Chilcz: Few people. Few people that,
Sonia Spil: and this girl kept saying, you're mitochondria dysfunctional. And at the time I'm like, I don't know what that means.
And because I couldn't fit it in my box of like, I know about SIBO and how ol alone goes into the pregnenolone steel and like I thought I like knew so much.
Liz Roman: Even the ol steel all bunk.
Sonia Spil: Now I think that
Becca Chilcz: there's, I think that's nuance.
Sonia Spil: Think theres a lot of nuance to it. Think it's not, it's not stealing, but naturally you're not gonna.
Yep. Your body's not, you know, like, but yeah, we used, you know, like it's a little [00:10:00] robber and they're like, I'm taking all your pregnant alone For me, and actually
Liz Roman: cortisone, right? We used to talk about cortisol and all these things. Yes. I remember Dr. Terry Jones being like, actually,
Becca Chilcz: yes, yes. I think naturally you, when you have high cortisol, you're just not going to pay.
You're not going to make the hormone. It's not that it's stealing it. It's not
Sonia Spil: stealing
Becca Chilcz: it. Suppressing it,
Liz Roman: it's focused on other things.
Becca Chilcz: It,
Sonia Spil: it doesn't work like that. No, it doesn't. Hormones aren't like, Hmm, it'll be really, really funny. Susan's a little stressed. Let's take away her progesterone and turn it into more cortisol.
No, it's, the body is just ebbing and flowing. Um, but it was that year, it was like the year of the pregna alone. Steel and progesterone and SIBO is the hottest thing like peptides are now. It was just super sexy and everyone was a gut like cook coach. I know you, but like, but like remember that era? Mm-hmm.
Becca Chilcz: Yes.
Sonia Spil: And she kept talking about my mitochondria and I was like, this doesn't make sense. I can't put it in my box. I don't even know what that is. That's clearly not the issue. It's insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome and all these other words. [00:11:00] Fast forward, I met with Vince Pitstick and I did a call with him and I, I honestly thought this guy is crazy.
He was talking about cells in the mitochondria. Again, I'm like. I left and I continued to gain weight and I came back to him and I was like, okay, you got me and I'll do anything. And we went through a process and I was able to lose weight and I got my cycle back in like the first two or three months and my hair stopped shedding and I did have a ruptured implant I worked through.
So there were some other things going on, but for the most part it was a deep cellular route. And I think as we started to unpack more and more. There were these aha moments. And as I started deepening my training, and as more, honestly, more research started to emerge because it wasn't the year of the mitochondria or cellular health, nobody could even explain what cellular health was without just saying cellular health.
You know? Mm-hmm. It's your cells. What are they? Where do they live? And so, um, I, Vince told me, if I fix you, will you come work for me? And I was like, yeah, [00:12:00] I, whatever at this point, just get me skinny again and I don't feel good. I didn't even care about my period. I'm like, my hair can still come out. A period cannot show up.
Like literally just get me back into these pants and feeling good in a crop top and we'll be, I'll do whatever you want. He fixed me. I wanted to come work for him. Um, it was that weird like God voice, we've talked about these God voices where I would stay up at night and it would be like, I have to go do this at night.
Not for anything other like people have to know about what this is because I had so many aha moments of clients along the way. You know those clients that haunt us still to this day, and you're like, if only I can have a second chance at them. Mm-hmm. Sometimes I feel like calling 'em up and being like, gimme another chance.
I'll do it for free. Just to like do it for, for real.
Becca Chilcz: Yeah.
Sonia Spil: It the, I was like, oh, finally I had like the knowledge to do this. I could make such a bigger impact. And so I ended up going over to Vital. I, I worked directly under Vince and now I run our whole [00:13:00] team. So we've done a lot of training together. I do the education for the organization for that specific team that works with these more chronic.
Immunological cases, and that is my fashion project. I also teach at Metabolic Mentor University, which I know you guys are a part of as well. It's a really comprehensive cohort of different practitioners bringing their knowledge to one sort of camp, um, which has been really exciting to see that trajectory of growth with that company as well.
So, yeah,
Liz Roman: it's amazing. That's it. And I think we could both agree that Vincent's definitely given us tools that mm-hmm. Nobody else. Has,
Sonia Spil: it's a conversation no one's talked about before. Yeah,
Liz Roman: yeah. And it shows up. You know, we have a lot of the chronic cases. Yes, you guys do. And there are clients like Zach and I consistently, like I can think of three right now, like key me up at night.
Yes. Case is not. Why is she not responding? Because we've done like textbook what should be, you know
Sonia Spil: mm-hmm.
Liz Roman: Giving this result or above and beyond that, [00:14:00] right? Yeah. Whether it's pulling in the peptides or it's doing the different types of, uh, autophagy protocols and things, and it's just very resistant, you know, client.
Yes. So, but I mean. I would say the population that are more challenging these days is maybe like 5% compared to maybe 60%. Before we felt like, oh, these are good, and then 40 we struggling to figure out. Yeah, I think it's like a 95. Okay. We're doing very, very well with all of these, but these 5%. So, yeah, I don't know how that shows up for you compared to, 'cause it's back in the body, you know, building days you were doing Yeah.
Things right. We were doing a lot of things.
Becca Chilcz: So getting great results. Yes. It was just that, it was this population and I, I talk about like, when I went through my kind of journey of could not figure myself out, I was doing. Eating less, eating less, doing more. Right. And my body just kept getting more and more inflamed.
I was coaching nutrition. Yeah. And I was doing macros and you know, holistic, like whole 30 type diets still works for some, still works for a [00:15:00] lot of people. Yeah. And I just ran into this thing where I was like. There's this subset of women that are like in their forties, late thirties, forties, that are just not responding and they're actually gaining weight when we're trying to do these things.
And it just haunted me. And then that's where I went into functional and not kind of realized the impact of hormones and cellular health and all these different things. And it's, I feel like now we're running into this age of sensitivity, like hypersensitivity, and we were talking about this a little bit last night of.
Whether it is finally hitting post COVID and this like chronic viral issue that's going on, or if it's now, you know, perimenopause is becoming more and more. Awareness based, like people realize that this is not normal to feel like this during this time, and because of how much it impacts histamine and then potentially in like intern MCAS and all these things.
So I'd be curious what you guys see on your end too in terms of the, this era of like hypersensitivity of these people that come in and just [00:16:00] can't take any supplements. They can't.
Sonia Spil: Mm-hmm.
Becca Chilcz: They can't handle anything and symptoms just like, yeah. Can't be touched.
Sonia Spil: It's a great question. I don't think it's one.
I think it's a little bit of all, and I think it's, we live in just such an age where everything is so fast. Pace, right? Like before even growing up. Right. This is a perfect example. Our kids. Like, don't know, like, oh, we didn't have a cell phone,
Liz Roman: right?
Sonia Spil: You had to go home.
Liz Roman: It played outside. We,
Sonia Spil: yeah,
Liz Roman: you were
Becca Chilcz: bored.
Sonia Spil: Sometimes you had a dial up number that someone could leave a voicemail on, and it would call and be like, you reached Sonia's. You know, like, and it's like, and you'd check your voicemail to see if somebody needed to get ahold of you, Uhhuh from like a payphone or someone's house phone with the long cords.
Everything is so instant and fast. Pace and information, like we just live at a different speed. So I think stress is higher, expectations are higher. Mm-hmm. I think toxicity is higher than ever. We have such a [00:17:00] drive in like the environment around us, and then we also have more, um, consumption of. You know, like this, like toxic foods and leaky gut and these other things.
And I think at the end of the day, we are all like, our mitochondria aren't, um, our energy sources. I always sort of use the cell as like a Porsche. Like we all have like a Porsche. And, but when our engine breaks down, what's a Porsche without the engines just basically a Prius. Like it's the same metal.
Right. You're, you're running with that and the engines inside of our cells can be done, become dysfunctional. When we're born with this series of light switches, I always kind of use the analogy of genetics being like one of those light panels, like, and you would see in a, a play. Mm-hmm. Like a feeder house that has like all the light switches, those are genetics and some are on, some are off and we all have different light switches.
And through more time, chronic stress, age hormone changes, like what we're exposed to, I think those light switches are coming [00:18:00] on collectively more together from a trauma Big T, little tree T stress, like the combination of life, the weight of life itself. And I do think that we see COVID and other viruses, EBV, Lyme being.
A trigger for some of these genetics, which is poor methylation. All the folic acid in food, like all these, like these rabbit holes we could go spend hours on. But when those light switches get turned off our cells, which are these master communicators, that's their entire job. Our brain cells. Our skin cells talk about antioxidants for the skin being anti-aging, our, our, all our heart cells, but our immune cells take, you know.
After the brain and the heart, the immune takes the most energy out of every other cellular system inside of the body. Inside every cell is a whole little city and it needs to run. You need a mayor, and a governor and enzymes that, that create these processes. But cells can be leaky just like a gut. And [00:19:00] toxins get in there.
And we have, you know, I always say the cell is the garage and the, if your car is running in the garage with the garage door shut, it pollution creates. That's oxidative stress. And so we have this sort of like perfect storm happening. And when a cell's like. I'm out. I'm dysfunctional, I'm polluted, I'm not running well, there's chaos.
And like every great company relationship, friendship, when communication is dysfunctional, the entire organization will fail.
Liz Roman: Yeah.
Sonia Spil: It doesn't matter who it is. Yeah. Behind every great dysfunction is communication. Divorce troubles with your kids. It's a communication breakdown. And with the rise in communication breakdown, you have a real dysregulated immune system because.
It's a perfect governing system. And my higher power belief is like, God created this system and it's perfectly made. It's this other, when it breaks down, it doesn't know how to go, Hey guys, let's all start communicating better. It doesn't. It's in survival mode. It's just, bless its heart. It's doing its [00:20:00] best job, you know?
Yes.
Liz Roman: Yeah. And I think when you combine that with, like you mentioned before, the the fast-paced lifestyle. Yeah. So we could have symptoms that are starting to whisper. We are so busy and distracted, right?
Becca Chilcz: Or they're already normal.
Liz Roman: Do the kids, I gotta do this. Or like, maybe it'll go
Becca Chilcz: away.
Liz Roman: And then over time you are continuing to stress the system and so you're not slowing down to let things start to resolve and to heal.
Or if you, like you said, you layer in. All of the restrictions right. From diets. And then when you are doing those Tora calorie diets, maybe whatever we've all done them, things that people are really doing, we've all done that. You're looking at more of these processed Yeah. Packaged foods that are convenient and whatnot.
And so it's just like you said, this multifaceted, um, situation and you know,
Becca Chilcz: I feel like sometimes too, the immune system becomes so. Exhausted and suppressed that like symptoms aren't actually that present even though there's a lot of dysfunction going on. And we see that sometimes, like [00:21:00] how many times you've probably seen the people that come in that don't report any gut symptoms and then you run a GI map and it is like Christmas tree lit up.
Liz Roman: Yeah.
Becca Chilcz: And it's like you probably aren't even experiencing symptoms. 'cause the body, we caught it
Liz Roman: early
Becca Chilcz: enough. Yes. The body has not really gotten to the place where like it's hit that. Pin down yet. And so it's hard, you know, and, and why, I always say, people ask me like, how often should I get labs done? I'm like, I think at least once a year just to be able to start catching patterns and trends.
Like you don't get symptoms. A lot of times from fatty liver, you don't get symptoms a lot of times from insulin resistance right away, or cardiovascular disease. Like you
Sonia Spil: don't even feel your immune shift when your, when your immune cells start. C. C creating this miscommunication. You can see, we can see it on labs.
You're like, I don't know what it is. We could go into a thousand dollars of testing to guess it, or we can treat it either way, but you can, we can see it on a $10 C, B, C. You can start to see the shift and it's, it really is amazing if you see it early on when you can catch it. [00:22:00] You really save a person a world of trouble.
Mm-hmm. Especially as they go through the, the, the peas that we always talk about, which is puberty. You talk about pregnancy, postpartum, and perimenopause are the times for a woman specifically where we see that. And that's I think why we start to see even some pans, pandas case around that seven to 10 when hormones shift in young boys virus gets introduced and it's like a sudden shifting in the.
Ecosystem of those lights, which just get turned on. And we're expressing different traits now.
Liz Roman: And I think it's so sad because in the era that I think we all grew up in. Speaking from, you know, my family's, uh, experience. Okay, well she has all of these symptoms. Let's not ask the question why. Let's just be with birth control.
Mm-hmm. You know? Yes. And I'm very, very thankful. I believe the reason why I was able to put the Hashimotos in remission is because it was early enough. Yes. It was still eight years of struggling with this constipation and weight and fatigue and skin issues. Early twenties, right? Like, okay, we see the antibodies that hasn't [00:23:00] impacted your TSH or your hormones yet technically, right, but that they were looking at normal.
Yeah. Uh, it really did. But then it's like, okay, now I can start to shift this and reverse course so that we can get to a place. You calm the storm down. So we're talking a little bit about this overactive, you know, immune system, but I would love to talk about. An underactive immune system. What does that look like?
How does that show up? What danger presents? Because for what I share with my clients, especially as we're going through genetics, I ran my genetics with Vince, but. Came to him saying, my mom passed A A LS and I've had two autoimmune conditions already. How do I set myself up to be more proactive? And I was very watery.
Flame you, very similar to you at that time. And he, I distinctly remember, he calls me, he's like, Liz, we've gotta get on Zoom right now. He's like, I've got your genetics back. You have all autophagy block. I've never seen four out of four before. Completely shut down. And so having that conversation with him and saying, okay, this is where things sequester.
This is where [00:24:00] disease proliferates, but it may not show up symptomatically for people. Yeah. So from this underactive perspective. You just explained it so beautifully. Let's talk about that and what do you see and what would be some of the things people should look out for to say? Ah,
Sonia Spil: yeah. Uh, I think with every, um, like we talked about the genetic expression, so like when these switches change how a person acts and presents themself will change.
We see this in schizophrenia. We see this in Pans Pandas, but. When those switches change, you could almost assume the personality of the immune system can also change. And I think if we look at it more of a state of like confusion, then it's time under tension. Meaning when is the, when does that change underactive versus overactive?
Some will say there's a metabolic process called mTOR, and when you're driving muscle building and protein, um, consumption and, and, and driving that for a long period of time, sometimes you can get. Stuck there. And when we look at, at what [00:25:00] autophagy is, it's just, it's that honey do list. Like, Hey, we need to, like honey do around the house this weekend.
When you sleep, you have a god-given system that goes and does a honey do list in your cell. And it's like, oh, your, your, your mucosa, your cellular wall is a little leaky and we're gonna paint here and we're gonna reestablish communication for cellular output. We're gonna do this, like, we're gonna put our Verizon towers back up.
They're a little crooked. It repairs inside and you can genetically not repair very well. And you can, you can have more of a, um. That's one option you could not repair. Well, the other thing is you could have a virus or a hidden infection, whether that's chronic EBV living in the cells. We talked about how the cells are leaking and things can get in there, and then when they, the cells splice, the virus can be reborn again.
You can have things like Lyme and Babesia co-infections, where a parasite lives in the cell, you so many things can go wrong. Right. Is the, is my point. When there's a lot of the immune system and you have [00:26:00] the right expression where the immune system is like at a certain point I turn off, you have people with chronically sick, but the same autoimmune conditions.
Mm-hmm. And they're very sensitive to supplements. They get sick over everything. It seems like as a practitioner everything you do causes a reaction and you're like. Oh, I'm almost scared to even try anything with this client because I feel so bad. Right. Yeah. And go ahead.
Liz Roman: Can you share a little bit about, 'cause we will often say you heal in flares, so, okay.
So say someone's coming in love
Sonia Spil: this
Liz Roman: topic, we are putting in, let's say, a half a binder, right? A little bit of, uh, olive oil and some other things, you know, to try to support them, but they're seemingly not able to handle it.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Liz Roman: Or we try to introduce a new food and they're like. Body is just freaking out.
So sometimes like when we get to this beast fast, when we talk about, you know, okay, we're gonna hard pulse you. I tell my clients I am expecting a little bit of a [00:27:00] flare here. Yeah. Because we're tapping in different, uh, doors in the immune system, right? Yeah. So how do we know what the fine line is to not, obviously someone perching and their funeral worse.
We're not gonna keep pushing.
Sonia Spil: Yeah,
Liz Roman: right. Slow down, speed up, but. What would you, or how do you share this with your clients in terms of this is not necessarily a bad thing?
Sonia Spil: Yeah, I'm so glad you asked. 'cause I'm about to like unleash super. I was like, I love that she's asking this question. I literally, we did not plan this, but this is one of my favorite subjects of like even why?
Why do some clients heal after they get sick for the first time? Haven't been sick in years. Get the flu and we're like, F yes, this is exactly what I wanted for you. Mm-hmm. So here's the mechanism of action between that. In our immune system, our red blood cells are carriers in a sense. They carry nutrients and and oxygen and other things through the blood.
Our white blood cells are our army, our defenders, and there's different troops that we always talk about in the immune system. And as a practitioner, I don't know [00:28:00] if this is practitioner facing or client facing. Okay. Both. We have neutrophils and lymphocytes and
Liz Roman: clients are gonna get it.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Liz Roman: And if they don't, if you're listening, what the fuck are we talking about?
I mean, we have almost a thousand episodes on our podcast. You can, we share a lot of this because we do work with these chronic cases. People have done a lot of functional work. They've seen, I mean, I talked
Sonia Spil: about they can almost be providers themselves.
Liz Roman: Yeah. I mean, they know, they know a lot
Sonia Spil: about
Liz Roman: Right.
Um, so they should get it.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Liz Roman: Practitioners that I think very similar to where we were, uh, a handful of years ago. You're not talk and we don't have a plan of working through right now, and we're doing some deep. Protocols for OID. Right. And she's starting restorative wellness. And I was like, sister, I wanna tell you that you're gonna learn this.
You're not gonna learn this in restorative wellness. This is years, years, years of mentorship. This is not, you'll not textbook.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Liz Roman: Because a textbook person for a gut protocol is to protocol
Sonia Spil: and you have to fail. Right. Like we learn through our failures. Absolutely. Because that's what drives [00:29:00] me is like something else is happening.
Mm-hmm. And when I learned this mechanism, I was like, oh, this is such a good one. I like, love this. I even try to explain this to my kids. One day they'll look back and they'll be like, my mom was cool. Maybe not. Maybe never actually. I like to think they will, but, so we have this army and we have, our first line of defense is neutrophils.
They come in and they're like, Hey, we got a problem. I don't, they're not really smart. They're kind of like. Like all, all, all bronze, no brain. Right? Okay. But what they do is a neutrophil comes in and he's like, Hey, we're gonna come over. And the the type he is is, um, sort of like a Pac-Man where he can absorb right.
And eat. These guys like, they're like called fgo fgo sites. Doesn't really matter. It's like a, the vision is a hungry, hungry hippo eating all the little guys, uh, the immune system comes in and he sets a plant and he goes, this antigen, this name tag Steve. I
Becca Chilcz: think we're like a tagging system.
Sonia Spil: Yes. He puts a beacon and it's like [00:30:00] Steve, Steve, Steve, and then the neutrophils like, I'm going to eat Steve.
Yes. But cooler than that, these neutrophils have nets and they're called neutrophil. Extracellular out of the cell traps. And they're these like tentacles that are like mani wars and it opens up and these tentacles come out and it does dead cells of all debris. So what we find in post viral infections that are keeping someone sick and ill long after is that the cleanup hasn't fully happened and the debris still lives on triggering the immune system.
Mm-hmm. It's just enough debris to keep them long-term, chronically flared up every time something happens. So when these nets come out, they're getting everything in there. They're, they're almost casting a wider scope of practice than they're just. Steves and they're looking for Steve and Sally and, and Sam.
They're getting every little bit of bacteria so we get extra cleanup. So when we have things like the flu and neutrophils and white blood cells go up, it's our opportunity in these chronic cases for those [00:31:00] nets to cast out. You can't, you can't cause that in a system, right? You don't wanna falsely get somebody sick just to get a cleanup.
It has to be, it's almost like the right time where the immune system finally allows this to happen. These nets come and then they can clean up. Post that sickness, there's almost this improvement where it's like, oh, I'm actually feeling better. It might take them longer to get better from the sickness, but they're almost starting to feel better than they have even before they were sick.
Mm-hmm. Because that debris is getting cleaned up. '
Becca Chilcz: cause spring cleaning.
Sonia Spil: Spring cleaning, and we can't trigger these nets any other way, nor would you want to. Like I said, we don't wanna do that in a case, but their symptoms will get very bad there. But they'll notice, oh, I wasn't as inflamed afterwards. Or normally I get sick and I gain weight, but I actually lost weight this time.
There's these weird things that sort of change the way that they feel. And you'll see this improvement happen and you might even see, oh, like, um, their sensitivity to things [00:32:00] start to go down because their immune system's not so confused, right? Mm-hmm.
Liz Roman: It's kind of course correcting itself that way. Yeah.
And reregulating,
Sonia Spil: yeah, we have these. Cells in our body. I talk about this a lot. They're called dendritic cells and they're just, they go out and they grab something. I always use Maverick, my son, as an analogy, 'cause he is just in this. If I ha if I'm holding him, his arm is out and he's just trying to catch anything that will touch his hands.
Mm-hmm. He's like, this is a magnet. This is someone's hair. If I walk by my daughter, he just grabs her hair. Yeah. And so these dendritic cells just grab and they go, oh, this is a little beacon. Take a little bite, bring it to the immune system. The immune system is like yes or no. We're gonna proceed with that.
When a person is highly sensitive, there's that confusion we talked about, and he, the dendritic cell brings, um, you know, an herb inside. Into the lymphatic system. And the lymphatic system is like, oh my gosh, let's create inflammation because this is something we don't know because it's just reacting to everything.
It says broccoli, you know, we see this in MRT, like it's [00:33:00] just reacting, reacting, reacting. And so herbs seem to be. Really unsafe for them. Yeah. And so using things like that can become a downfall. Right. We're like, how do we do it? And I think you said it perfectly. It's like we have to go slow and then pull back slow.
And then pull back. It's like a pulsing mechanism. Mm-hmm. And they have to be willing to go through the suck a little bit.
Becca Chilcz: Yeah.
Sonia Spil: But then also, if we think about everything cellularly, and we pause on the herbs and we say, okay, high antioxidants lowering oxidative stress. Using binders in a really mild, using glutathione.
We talk about redox a lot. Mm-hmm. Like we think, how do we improve cellular health, vitamin D for cell membrane, like how do we look at their genetics and go, what is this person going to need knowing their hypersensitivities? How do we prepare them? Then go in for those other systems? I've seen a lot better outcomes and.
It's longer on the written game plan, but you move quicker because you have an intentional path of, of, of sort, of destruction. Yeah,
Liz Roman: yeah,
Sonia Spil: yeah.
Liz Roman: [00:34:00] So there, and this is something we hear a lot 'cause we have a six month program, but almost a six month program, right. We always say this is level one actually, right.
We are gonna do anything and everything we possibly can to get you to a much better place. But the reality is healing is never done. And in these cases where it is chronic, complex. I mean, if you're working directly with Becca and I, it's nine months, uh, at a minimum. Mm-hmm. You know, and I wanna get a lot of eyes on a lot of things
Becca Chilcz: Yeah.
Liz Roman: Upfront, because I wanna know truly what's going on. But at the same time, it doesn't deter us from the process. You have, like you said, you have to go through the suck, you have to go through the process. It's just, it's understanding this is for the rest of your life. Yeah. That you're thinking about these things.
You are not going back to what brought you to this place, like undereating massive. Mm-hmm. Or, you know, super, super restrictive. Fasting. 'cause we have opposite of
Yeah.
Liz Roman: People overeating and over training. We have people who can't train. They're in intolerance training. Yeah. Mm-hmm. They, you know, feel worse when they try to, you know, do a fast.
[00:35:00] And so I'm saying all that today. You can't put a timeline on these cases. Right. You said that long roadmap.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Liz Roman: It could be that you feel, okay, I'm only doing two to three things. You better get a time.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Liz Roman: So in your experience, I mean, for us at our company average is probably like 11 months.
Sonia Spil: Same
Liz Roman: for people, you know?
Okay. They go through the program now, they're going on a whole monthly, almost there, but not quite there yet. Would you agree that, you know, if somebody's coming in you, you have to think, okay, more of a mild case, six months, moderate, maybe that nine to 12 and then severe 12 to 24 maybe? Yeah,
Sonia Spil: absolutely. I think that in a lot of.
Ways when we are putting a, and I get it financially, like I, I know people want a timeline.
Becca Chilcz: Yeah.
Sonia Spil: And I think one of the best things as a practitioner that I, that I think we can do is almost under promise, over deliver on timelines. Realistically on your. It's gonna be three months before we can do this [00:36:00] and we've gotta see this, but then we can do this.
But I know if we work in this path that people can get ahold of and even if somebody doesn't sign up with me, 'cause someone else has told them it's a quicker timeline, I still do my part. Yeah. I'm like, that's okay. Well you can walk away. I don't need to sell you. Mm-hmm. My goal is to help you. Yeah. So that's like a different, I know you guys are super upfront with your clients.
Oh you can like agree on that?
Liz Roman: Yes.
Sonia Spil: But yeah, the realistic timeline of healing, you know, 20, 30 years of dysfunction inside someone's body isn't, you know, gosh, I'd love for us to just go in and be like, I'm gonna fast you and add in some like Epi Battalion and SS 31 and like the way that these, she
Becca Chilcz: reset everything
Sonia Spil: these way.
Yeah. The way that when, um. You know, my husband like loves peptides right now. He like wants to everything. He's like, this does this. And you know, he hears me talk about things and he is like, okay, but if this does that, then you just take this. I'm like, I know, but here's what you didn't think. If I go ahead and I do that, this turns on this lever and then this goes, he's like, oh, that's so true.
And that's how people think right now in the world of peptides. You just take this and that heals your yourselves.
Liz Roman: [00:37:00] Yes.
Sonia Spil: So great. We would be billionaires. Oh, what we know. It doesn't always work the way you want it. And while it's a simple thing to. While this is a simple thing, you write down, I'm like A MPK and mTOR.
It's not as, while the process seems simple, the one thing we know consistently is for each cell to heal. It takes time.
Becca Chilcz: Well, and I think, I think when it comes to peptides, the two things that I always try to remind people of, one, they're a stressor. Like everything else, they
Sonia Spil: are a stressor. Yes.
Becca Chilcz: And certain ones are more of a stressor than others.
Mm-hmm. Obviously. But two, they require substrate and energy to be able to be utilized.
Sonia Spil: Right.
Becca Chilcz: And so if you are fasting and undereating, if you are completely depleted, yeah. And your immune system's totally dysregulated, like. Like hormones, they, yeah, a little bit different, but they go into a body that is not able to utilize them properly.
Yeah. And I think of, I think of peptides, I think of hormones as optimizers. Like we bring, yes. Can they be healing [00:38:00] agents and tools? Of course they can, but you cannot just ignore all other things and take a GLP and take SS 31 and Oxy and think that everything is going to be solved. Yeah. And you don't have to eat and you like don't even have to exercise and all these things.
And I think that they, unfortunately. Are being taught it as like this all empowering, super chemically potent healing agent. Yeah. And
Liz Roman: this
Becca Chilcz: is all
Liz Roman: girls on social media, if you've seen this. Yes. See this where they have like their, uh, injectables out and it's like this, this, this is my stack. You know? And then it's kind of like that one girl that I talk about all the time, and we, again, turn on the bus.
She sells this $90 hormone balancing, like herb blend for menopause. It's gonna cure everything in menopause. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's the same way as like,
Sonia Spil: because menopause is just one thing. Yeah. Just one thing. There's no caveat. It's just this thing, it doesn't fluctuate at all. Not
Liz Roman: going for this left and right.
And then they are like, well that program, that's six month program, that's, that's too much of an investment for me. Right. So I'm gonna go over here, I'm gonna try to out peptide myself. Yeah. But then [00:39:00] some end up making things worse. Oh, absolutely. And so it's scary. It's a scary world that I think you live in.
It's a blessing that we have the ability to communicate. Right. We're in Cabo, we're blasting this internationally. Yeah. Which is amazing. And social media, you can go and you can find a lot of these tips, but at the end of the day when you're doing maybe something at the wrong time, right, yeah. Dose at the timing and are also duration, because some people are like, well, I'm just gonna.
Keep taking my GLP and I'm gonna keep
Sonia Spil: it's way sexier easier. All of this, you know, me talking about like, hey, eating whole foods and balancing your blood sugar, it's like, it's not sexy, you know, sleeping and like these things that we know, like when we talk about metabolic systems and like how it works.
We, you guys know, and, and I'm sure people listening, they're like, blood sugar regulation is at the cornerstone and forefront of every single healing case. And that can be the hardest thing. It's the easiest thing. It's like, it's this, it's this constant war. We all have those clients who haunt us, they won't get in [00:40:00] there because, like you said, like I have these autophagy blocks.
We have a system where when our body turns into a place where it has low blood sugar, and the body starts using fat as a source of energy, I, I always say like our hybrid kicks on gasoline runs out, sugar drops outta the blood and our system kicks on. It lowers inflammation. Fixes our cells that are damaged, supports communication burns fat instead of lean muscle tissue.
You are like, if I could coin that into like a program, it would sell off the shelves. But the truth is, is it's just blood sugar regulation. So sometimes these things that are so, oh, why does some glide hair looks so less, so much less inflamed? I'm like, oh God, I could, I always pause. I'm like, do I really wanna go into like the process behind that or do you just wanna kind of like acknowledge them, you know, because it's, right.
Because I'm like, oh, let me tell you why that's happening. If we have, what if we use peptides as like a resource, knowing what we know about the systems in the body, you really can't [00:41:00] undo, there's nothing you can't come across. Yeah. It's a matter of how much time a client is willing to sit in the suck with the, with the hope that they will prove.
Progressively get better. Yeah. That's really what it comes down to. And not everyone is as much of a hope dealer. Not every coach can get clients through that, and not every client is at the home life situation where they can, they have enough people home mentally in them. Right. Yeah.
Liz Roman: That's so hard.
Sonia Spil: It's so hard.
Liz Roman: I mean, we were just
Sonia Spil: leave your husband so you can heal. You know? I
Liz Roman: know. Well, we were chatting yesterday and no. Becca and I are so blessed and I would say the same for you.
Sonia Spil: Absolutely.
Liz Roman: And Nick, our
Sonia Spil: husbands are so
Liz Roman: supportive. Not gonna ever tell us No, no. So all type A. So good
Becca Chilcz: luck. Good luck telling me, know I'll do it anyways.
Liz Roman: Um, you know, a lot of the points that we talked to, it is. It's so hard. Maybe it's their best friend. Maybe it is their husband, maybe
Sonia Spil: it
Liz Roman: is. They just don't have that, that support in their circle, in their community. And so one thing we always try to drive to our practitioners. We used to say this when we had the gym to our [00:42:00] trainers.
Yeah, you, I don't care what is going on with you because you see that person, Sally, for one hour today. Your job is to make her day because you don't know what she's dealing with. Mm-hmm. For 23 other hours, she's not in the gym with us. And so it's the same with the practitioner. Every time I see you once every few weeks, we have to really know that we are building this trust and relationship and rapport so that they feel safe.
Right. You know, I'm talking about safety. Yeah. Coming to us, sharing things with us, and know that we are ultimately supporting them. Yeah. Because a lot of times they don't, and it's so hard. And challenging when you don't have that support in your community to really heal.
Becca Chilcz: Yeah.
Liz Roman: Because you're in those moments, then you'll like forget it.
You know? It's,
Becca Chilcz: yeah.
Liz Roman: I'm just gonna eat the chocolate chip cookie 'cause I'm tired of my husband, you know? Mm-hmm. Putting in my face every day. It's just so, so if you're listening to this, like find a community, find whether it is at Vital, it's at Fit Mom, it's at your gym. Find [00:43:00] people that are on the journey that you are on or in a, a similar way.
Yeah. Right. They have the same values. They wanna improve their health. They don't wanna be like plastered all the time, like
Becca Chilcz: mm-hmm.
Liz Roman: You know, uh, partying, I remember five, six years ago before kids like smart. I don't wanna keep going to the clubs and staying up till two or three o'clock in the morning, like I don't, that doesn't surf what I'm trying to do in terms of going to the gym and building muscles.
So it's like you almost change who you are and you change your circle because you have to,
Sonia Spil: we call it a con cocoon phase, and some of the people we get to have like. Planted themselves in the wrong community in these like Facebook groups of like low hope diagnosis and, you know, sharing fearmongering and sharing these symptoms and doing the, oh, and I have this and this and this, and, and you're like, oh, do I have redness?
There's a dry spot on it and now you're seeing it. And I, I cannot speak to the power of like, thought and belief in the sense of healing. I mean like it's so big. And I think when you're plugged into those communities, we're [00:44:00] almost undoing that when clients come in, I know you guys see these clients as well because they're trying, they are pursuing, and we call it the cocoon phase because you kind of are like a caterpillar and then you have to go cocoon where you start setting boundaries and stop going here and stop doing these things, and your circle becomes small and it can feel lonely.
It's also a place of. Anhedonia where dopamine is lower and we're not getting as much reward and, and it's in the suck. And that's when as practitioners, we do need to show up as their day maker every day. Like that's our intention is to paint a vision of hope that they can get through this tough time because cocoons.
Birth butterflies. Mm-hmm. And so that is like when you watch somebody come outta the cocoon phase and they're like, I actually quit my job because it doesn't serve me anymore. I'm like,
Becca Chilcz: yeah. Yes. How many women have quit their jobs working with US practitioner
Liz Roman: because I, you know, see the hope
Sonia Spil: or they realize their relationships are holding them back.
They're like, I actually live in a toxic relationship. And then they start to heal. And I [00:45:00] don't, I'm not pro divorce or break up or any of these things, but sometimes we put ourself in a a a, a situation of comfortability and we. Are vibrating like at a very low level and we don't realize that those things are not serving us or we're pouring out.
We have a client, we talked about a friend of yours, a a past client of mine and it's so hard because she wants to heal, but her life and the support she has at home and kids and everything, it's like I just wanna go and like watch her kids for a weekend and like help her around the house 'cause she doesn't have that.
And I just feel like that being seen and heard by your spouse, like those things go. So far Yeah. In a healing journey with a woman who's just giving their all but pouring from an empty cup. Yeah. It's hard to heal those women.
Becca Chilcz: Yes. I think of, like, I always relate the idea of plants.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Becca Chilcz: I'm like, do you know there is, there's research of people talking positively and negatively to plants
Sonia Spil: and rice
Becca Chilcz: and,
Sonia Spil: and and what?
Rice
Becca Chilcz: and like, and water.
Sonia Spil: And
Becca Chilcz: water.
Sonia Spil: It's the same,
Becca Chilcz: like the, the [00:46:00] frequency of that. And why do you think grounding works? Why do you think hugging trees works? Because the earth's frequency. Is in healing natural frequency, and our bodies get so far away from it. And so that's why we love our Lela necklaces, our EMF blocking necklaces and the like.
It is just. I cannot emphasize how much I have seen the longer I've been in this space.
Sonia Spil: Yes.
Becca Chilcz: The power of energy and mind. And it is, it can be either an amazing tool or it can be mm-hmm. The thing that keeps you imprisoned. Like, yeah. It and, and people don't want to hear that. Like, they don't want, they don't, oh yeah.
What peptide or what supplement, like, it's like, no, you cannot go into a home every day where you feel immediately tension and on walking on eggshells or whatever it might be because. You're either in a loveless marriage or you know, you're, you're the only one that you have to take care of the kids and all these other responsibilities,
Sonia Spil: but you don't think you're worthy is another thing.
I'm sure you guys see too, like, hey, like, do you think you're worthy of this? And it's like a pause and just tears start coming down their face. Like we're [00:47:00] doing a lot of generational trauma.
Becca Chilcz: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And I think two of these Facebook groups. SIBO Facebook groups or these Lyme Facebook groups where it's like,
Sonia Spil: Lyme's the worst.
Becca Chilcz: It is just, this is my life and this is how, what went wrong today. And it's just all you're getting. And we know as practitioners and we love our clients, but it is energy depleting sometimes beyond these calls we're like, there is so much heavy emotion and there is, you have to keep yourself regulated.
Mm-hmm. And you know, have breaks and have people to talk to. And I think for our clients who don't have that like luckily. We have each other, like Liz and I and you and our friend Lindsay and all these people we're on group chats. Mm-hmm. We have our team to talk to. But like I think of our team, our clients who don't always have that.
Yeah. They don't. That's us to them, you know? And so it is, uh, just understanding the true impact that your mental and emotional state have on your ability to heal. And we see like air hunger and sleep and all of these symptoms. [00:48:00] Directly related to anxiety and nervous system and autonomic nervous system dysregulation.
And it's like there's not a settlement that's gonna fix that. It's, it's done.
Liz Roman: SRI isn't really fixing it.
Becca Chilcz: No.
Liz Roman: Right. Like do I think that it maybe needs to be in for some people? Absolutely. Right. For sure.
Sonia Spil: There's a place and a time for medications.
Liz Roman: That's just a conventional way. Mm-hmm. Because it's easy.
Right? That pill. Ah, good. Yeah. Birth control good. Now, Liz doesn't have horrible, you know, periods and the acne is improving and like I'm not cramping and doing all these like
Becca Chilcz: Yep.
Liz Roman: You know, things for a week that was full. So it was, but I always kind of go back now with the knowledge that I have and wonder.
Had I not done that, had I taken a little bit of a different approach, would I end up in the same situation with those eight years, almost a decade. Really struggling Yeah. Than finding that, you know, Hashi Motors. So anyways, as we start to round this out, I would love for each of us to kind of share, right?
'cause we've gone through this OID process, all [00:49:00] of us, uh, overactive immune or, or something's under. What's one thing that you would say to someone who is listening and feeling just hopeless? And wondering, you know, am I ever gonna get there? Yeah.
Sonia Spil: Wow. That's a really good question. 'cause I think about just like how I felt and how like sometimes I'm not a crier, I would just like burst into tears and I'd just be so frustrated.
'cause it's like I'm trying so hard and I think if I could've just like said one thing to myself in that healing situation before, it's like, don't give up before the miracle happens. Because when it does. Look, you can come to Cabo, eat gluten, have coffee on an empty stomach. Like you, you may not be able to live the same chaos you lived in before, but you don't even want to, but you can enjoy things and like the peace, I promise you, there's peace where it's like when you can go on vacation and not think about everything, every small detail, when you had to hyper [00:50:00] control everything your family feels it.
You feel it, and you might not realize it at first, but all of a sudden you'll be like, I didn't have to. I just felt a sense of peace in my life and you shouldn't have to go through like feeling that way. There's a solution and it's just about not giving up before the miracle happens.
Liz Roman: Yeah. I think for me it would be fine, the good and focus on something every day that brings you joy.
Sonia Spil: Mm-hmm.
Liz Roman: Because, so
Sonia Spil: good.
Liz Roman: I just remember distinctively, this is like come back as we're working with Bo and our story and everything, leaving that doctor's office, and I finally had answers, but I felt like my life was stripped from me because now I needed to go home and tell this binder of.
Anti-inflammatory diet on track with, I just felt I was so I or something.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Liz Roman: And not focused on.
Sonia Spil: Mm-hmm.
Liz Roman: This is now a solution and that hope, and that's again why we built our program that we have so that people have the support. 'cause I didn't have support between, I just had this binder, but figure it out.
[00:51:00] There was like even no recipes or anything, you know. But if you can find the good and you can do something every day that brings you joy, you start to attract more of that. And then you're not as like angry.
Becca Chilcz: Mm-hmm.
Liz Roman: Yeah. And upset about all things you can't have because you are making massive change.
Becca Chilcz: Yeah. I think for me it was having to almost like let go of my old life and identity.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Becca Chilcz: Like I really struggled 'cause I, so I managed a CrossFit gym and going through the process of like gaining 10 to 15 pounds in the course of like a month and a half I felt. Judgment That probably wasn't even there.
Yeah. From all the people that like saw me and looked up to me as like this really fit and healthy person and it felt like I was in control of my body or my life and I had to get rid of a lot of clothes. I had to like stop trying to fit into this box that I had thought of myself because if I tried to do that.
My journey with a lot of inflammation, weight gain, fatigue, [00:52:00] things like that. Like luckily I didn't deal with massive gut issues or anything, but in that journey, I felt like every day I tried to put on these pants that were tight and I like vividly remember feeling. As like all day I could feel them digging into my fat.
Yeah. And my like inflammation. You just feel
Sonia Spil: your body.
Becca Chilcz: And then it would just be a constant reminder of like, I'm not where I wanna be. I'm miserable, I'm, you know, whatever it might be. And I was so focused on the negative things that I couldn't see any type of improvement because I was letting myself, just like, I kept trying to fit myself into this old life that just wasn't.
For me or there anymore.
Liz Roman: I remember you listening about this on social media. She like went through all her post like way back when you were
Becca Chilcz: Yeah. Way back.
Liz Roman: How skinny were you? You were
Becca Chilcz: so skinny. I was 9% body fat. Yeah. Like it was a shocker. Didn't have
Liz Roman: cycle tiny shorts. And she's like, obviously now you're, you were postpartum and all these things.
Yeah.
Becca Chilcz: I just could, I like, it was such a constant reminder of what I wasn't.
Liz Roman: Mm-hmm.
Becca Chilcz: Yeah. I, I had to get rid of it. Yeah. And like, it wasn't that I was giving up, it was just like, oh, now I'm not [00:53:00] constantly squeezing in these pants every day and I feel okay in it, and then I can focus on like, moving forward versus just this constant like voice in the back of my head of like, you're not enough.
This isn't like, you're not where you used to be. And it just held me back. And so I had to kind of let go a little bit and be willing to kind of fall without the safety. Um, and that was huge for me. Like, it was like, I can't keep reminding myself of everything. I'm not
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Becca Chilcz: You know? Yeah. So,
Liz Roman: and I think the best is yet to come, right?
Yeah. Like of us. Uh, and also for all of you listening, if you're on a healing journey, the cool thing is you just continue to evolve and just continue to get better and better. You become, the more resilient, you become a version of yourself that. Like, I think, okay. A decade ago, like right around the time that Becca and I met actually just had this week it popped up, we went to this fu uh, event, Tony Robinson speaking.
Oh, he's so funny to
Sonia Spil: see. Speak. Yeah.
Liz Roman: Yeah. I am like. I [00:54:00] don't know how this will happen, but I just knew I've made for more. I don't wanna be in corporate, I want to grow something that's, you know, gonna be making an impact massively and not just like on a small scale. And here we are a decade later, and so I can only imagine where we'll be five, 10 years from now.
And the impact that will have, it'll just be greater and greater. And the same thing happens personally because you keep growing. Mm-hmm. You keep evolving and then with that, your family and the generation that you're raising. Yeah. 'cause all of us have kids and it will just really me a cool thing. You could think of it that way right now.
Maybe some of you are in the trenches and you don't see the good you are in the south, you're the cocoon face. Right? Yeah. But soon. If you don't give up too early.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Liz Roman: That miracle that,
Sonia Spil: yeah. Yeah.
Liz Roman: Like have you ever also on a weight loss journey.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Liz Roman: When do we have the OSH effect? Yeah. That OSH effect is coming.
Sonia Spil: Yeah. Yeah.
Liz Roman: Andy Sal talked about what was finished, 75 cards. Yeah. And he was like, I've lost anything for the last [00:55:00] 40 days. But he decided to do a couple more days and day 77 he broke.
Sonia Spil: Yeah. Like
Liz Roman: another, you know. Weight loss plateau and it's like, oh, you're so, you're almost there and make you feel that you don't see it, but just hold onto that and know that,
Sonia Spil: yeah,
Liz Roman: you keep going, it's gonna happen.
Sonia Spil: I always, I with my clients are at plateaus. I'm like, oh, I'm so excited. This is the best part. I'm like, you're gonna stay here for probably three, maybe even four weeks. And it's gonna feel crazy that I'm not making a change. But I promise you, and it happens almost every time. And I think, 'cause I get so excited about it, like you just got.
So excited. 'cause you know, they're like, okay, okay cool. And I'm like, oh my God, your genetics are a mess. But like we have this solu, this is so exciting. 'cause now we know what we can do. Mm-hmm And that really does change your entire outlook of everything. Like Yep. It's a diagnosis that's not. The end of the line, it is the answer that we have been waiting for and now we can do something about it.
We have an action plan.
Becca Chilcz: Yeah, no, absolutely. I think it's amazing and we're, I can like I, you just start [00:56:00] believing.
Sonia Spil: Yeah.
Becca Chilcz: You know, and I think that that's something that's been a huge shift to me even in just this past year of like, why not? Why can't it be our company? Me, us? Like, why? It's just the ceiling doesn't exist anymore.
Yeah. And I, and I don't wanna put myself in that realm, and I think it has to be being around people that you see. There is no ceiling, there is no, you know, and, and the rooms that you put yourself in and the people that you watch and surround yourself with. And that's something else that I had to, I had to stop following all CrossFitters.
I had to stop, like, oh, I
Sonia Spil: stopped following
Becca Chilcz: on social media. I did. That was a huge moment for, I can't body builders. I can't follow anyone that, like, I see this peak of not healthy fitness, but like, I, I couldn't surround myself with that anymore. Mm. And so I think it's really important who you follow, who you, you know, relate yourself to all of that because it just.
It's so good. Yeah, it makes sense. It's what you're constantly feeding your brain, right? And yeah. So if you were listening today, hopefully the background noise isn't too much 'cause we are [00:57:00] outside. There are birds. There are, sorry not sorry.
Liz Roman: Sorry. The mics did a good job.
Becca Chilcz: I know. Um.
Liz Roman: Yeah, we have, yours
Becca Chilcz: is red.
Sonia Spil: Mine is green. Mine is, mine's green.
Becca Chilcz: Okay. Yours green on that side.
Liz Roman: Okay.
Becca Chilcz: Yours is green on that side. Okay.
Liz Roman: Leave it to us to report a whole show. And then Liz's voice. Rebecca's voice. Tanya's voice in
Becca Chilcz: there. Good little girl chat.
Liz Roman: All right. Well we are off to the spa. We can go make some reservations. We need to get a pool and get our tan, so we have four, eight hours.
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Sonia Spil: Yep. Yes.
Liz Roman: Thank you for listening.
Sonia Spil: Yeah. Yeah.